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== Can we add a link to this talk page on the main roguebasin navigation bar? ==
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Or otherwise add a page expressly for the discussion of roguebasin. The BBS at http://peltkore.net/~szdev/boards gets no traffic. Best to keep discussion here.
== Articles unnecessarily protected. ==


Also, lots of updates recently! Very exciting, good work guys :-) -- [[User:Shedletsky]]
Several pages are marked as protected and it's unclear why. [http://roguebasin.com/index.php/Special:ProtectedPages?namespace=0&type=edit&level=0&size-mode=min&size= You can see them here].
There no specified reason, I couldn't find any indications of abuse,
and some of the discussions concluded that the protection was accidental and that admins weren't able to get around to resolving them at the time.[http://roguebasin.com/index.php/Talk:CreatingAForest]
It's obvious why [[Main Page]] and [[Featured roguelike‎]] would be protected, but I think protections should be removed from all other pages unless a reason can be given. --[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 07:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


:I agree, this is a good page for discussion. Perhaps:
: It seems most of these came from a rgrd thing where people would agree to share their articles in roguebasin but specified they didn't want edits. I will dig into it and put the real cause if that's the case. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] ([[User talk:Slash|talk]]) 16:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
The [[RogueBasin]] is a central knowledge-base for everything related to the [[Definition|Roguelike]] genre, as well as a detailed [[Categories|directory of Roguelike games]]. You can help! Go to the [[RogueBasin talk:Community Portal|Community Portal Talk page]] to participate in the latest discussion.
: or something similar. (The bold would become a link if pasted into the main page.)
:Also, would you mind if I moved this new section towards the bottom? Chronological is usually the standard, and I had a bit of trouble noticing it here at the top :) [[User:M|[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup>]] 06:46, 20 Sep 2005 (CEST)


== Image support ==
:: I didn't realize that.  It's unfortunate that several of those pages have minor errors which can't be fixed.  If that's the case then I think it'd have been better to have external links to the original articles instead of mirroring them on the wiki, or at least segregate them in some way that makes it clear that they aren't normal wiki pages.
:: I found the [[RGRD Wiki Project]] page which mentions that the pages would be protected.  These pages were supposed to have the author info in a small template but that seems to be missing from the protected pages I checked.  --[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 22:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


I thought it would be a good idea to start a RL Dev section where people could peruse and download free RL media resources, like tiles and sound files. I went ahead and created the catagory, then realized that I don't know how to post images to RogueBasin. I haven't noticed any others here, so maybe they are disabled?
== Can't upload new images. ==


My original plan was the upload the NetHack and Angband tilesets I have, along with a number of individual tiles I drew for my own game. Hopefully the repository would grow over time, so if you were writing a graphical RL and wanted a tile of X, you could just come get one.
I wanted to upload a new image example for [[Scrolling map]] but I receive the following error when I attempt to upload it:
: Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/c/c8/Camera_vectors.png". Make sure your upload directory is configured correctly and your web server has permission to write to that directory. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:$wgUploadDirectory for more information.
--[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 00:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


I do not think RogueBasin should endeavour to host free media. I think it would be more effective it it just linked to the free media that does exist already. Two such links to start things off: http://www.reinerstileset.4players.de:1059/englisch.htm, and http://rltiles.sourceforge.net/. Note that the cannonical Angband tiles, the Adam Bolt set, are in limbo as far as permission is concerned as the author has disappeared without clarifying the intent.  --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:39, 10 Sep 2005 (CEST)
:I get that error too. Sorry, not something I can help with. Could be connected to the upgrade in July. [[User:Slash|Slash]], can you look into this please.-[[User:Muscles|Muscles]] ([[User talk:Muscles|talk]]) 02:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


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:: This is fixed now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] ([[User talk:Slash|talk]]) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
File upload is in fact disabled : http://roguebasin.t-o-m-e.net/index.php/Special:Upload
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Who can change this? Why isn't it enabled? If it's the cost of storage space/bandwidth I can host 50 megs (can a wiki's storage system be distributed across domains like that?) --[[User:John Shedletsky]]
== That Role Playing ==


== More articles ==
Hi, my name is Eugenia, we'd like to add our released game That Role Playing to RogueBasin database of RL games.


There are a lot of RL dev articles at: http://roguelikedevelopment.org/
Steam link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1673180/That_Role_Playing/
Released: 21 Oct 2021


Perhaps we should email the original authors to get permission to replicate them here. If the above site were to disappear from the internet, all those articles would be lost. [[John Shedletsky]]
[...]


== Place to discuss Rogue Basin ==
: Please feel free to create a game page for it, it looks relevant for roguebasin. Thanks! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] ([[User talk:Slash|talk]]) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


It would be nice to have a place where we could talk about this site, discuss what you be done, etc. Any suggestions how it could be named? - [[User:Poulpy|Poulpy]] 03:29, 22 May 2005 (CEST)
:: I've created the page. Thank you! --[[User:Enginya|Enginya]] 05:19, 9 November 2021  (UTC)


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== False assumption on the front page ==
Perhaps we could name it 'The roguebasin forum'? :p


 
“Modern traditional roguelikes often shun this aspect, in favor of accessibility for less hardcore players.”
see http://peltkore.net/~szdev/boards --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 22:42, 25 Aug 2005 (CEST)
This statement makes a generalizing and false assumption. Popular modern roguelikes like DCSS, Qud and ToME certainly don’t use graphics as an accessibility feature, nor are these graphics in any way a hindrance to “The True Experience”, as a genre gatekeeper would suggest. Qud in particular is fantastically enhanced via its graphics. It leaves others in the dust when it comes to art style and UX design. Definitely not a mere accessibility feature meant as scrap for the dogs. Let’s excise this subjective and obviously loaded language from the front page.
 
== Wikipedia Merge ==
 
I strongly disagree with the idea of merging with Wikipedia. RogueBasin is much more than an encyclopedia. I suggest that this item gets removed from the TO-DO list --[[User:Copx|Copx]] 13:52, 13 Jul 2005 (CEST)
 
Not to mention that the WikiPedia folks would probably remove it, as we are not really an encyclopedia and not within the scope of WikiPedia's concerns (preserving human knowledge ect ect) [[John Shedletsky]]
 
== Reviews removal ==
 
I think we should remove the reviews entirely. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 21:39, 25 Aug 2005 (CEST)
 
Why is everyone so into removing things from RogueBasin? Why not just let it grow naturally to address the interests of those who spend the time to edit it? [[User:John Shedletsky|John Shedletsky]]
 
I, for one, think that the removal of the spam was a good thing. Even if the spammers had spent the time to edit it.  Pruning is an important part of developing this site in a healthy direction.  I want this to be a useful resource, not a collection of half-implemented things. --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 16:54, 6 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
== Categories done wrong ==
 
I think the [[Categories]] page is done wrong. We have here roguelikes categorized by development state, alphabetically, by year, by theme, by evolutionary branch, and by special categories. All of these are useful, but the problem is that they are not correlated, i.e. not every roguelike appears in all lists it should. I think a much better solution would be a single table which lists all this information for each roguelike. (It should be possible to create a table somehow, right? Wikipedia has some tables.) I don't know much about wikis, but maybe it would be also possible to create a script that would e.g. sort the table according to one of properties. --[[User:R|R]] 19:47, 4 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
I think the right answer is a more consistent use of the Category tag.  That seems to auto-generate the relevant categories, rather than having to edit the master list every time.  For example, POWDER has the Stable Game tag so shows up under Stable Games without the need to edit the list of the Stable Games and keep it alphabetical, etc.  Thus, I'd rather see the existing [[Categories]] be rolled into that.  For example, why do we have a master list of Fantasy, Sci-Fi, as *well* as a Futuristic Roguelike category? --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 16:50, 6 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
== Conventions ==
 
I've added a [[RogueBasin:Conventions]] page to help us avoid any future confusion. [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 07:09, 20 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
== So.... Image Support. ==
 
I wants it! Is there a reason why it is disabled?
 
Look how good the front page of http://gpwiki.org looks. RogueBasin could use a similar facelift. It would also be useful for screen shots of games, illustrations in articles, ect ect ect...
 
== What information is critical in describing a roguelike? ==
 
I've recently added a "gameinfo" template. The following code:
<pre>{{gameinfo| name = NetHack
|developer = [[The NetHack Dev Team]]
|released = 1987
|updated = ? 2003
|status = [[Stable]] 3.4.3
|language = [[C]]
|platforms = Amiga, Atari, Linux, Mac, Msdos, OS/2, Windows, Windows CE
|genre = [[Fantasy]]
|site = http://www.nethack.org/
|licensing = open source
|interface = [[Graphical tiles]], [[ASCII]], Keyboard, limited mouse
}}</pre>
{{gameinfo| name = NetHack
|developer = [[The NetHack Dev Team]]
|released = 1987
|updated = ? 2003
|status = [[Stable]] 3.4.3
|language = [[C]]
|platforms = Amiga, Atari, Linux, Mac, Msdos, OS/2, Windows, Windows CE
|genre = [[Fantasy]]
|site = http://www.nethack.org/
|licensing = open source
|interface = [[Graphical tiles]], [[ASCII]], Keyboard, limited mouse
}}
...will produce what is on the right.
 
What other important information should be included, and is something on the right unneccisary? Perhaps a field for the official website, descendants, and antecedent/influences/"based on"/etc? [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 03:16, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
I suggest three additional fields: Link to Project Homepage, Is source code available (Y/N), and type of graphics (ASCII, tiles, 3d, 5d, haptic interface only, ect). I'm not entirely sure that the "Features" field should be in there - that seems better addressed in the actual project entry, but it's not a big deal. - [[Shedletsky]]
 
Added them as licensing, interface, and site. How's that? [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 04:41, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
Yeah that's a good way to put it. [[User:Shedletsky|<b><i>[[User:Shedletsky|–John Shedletsky]]<sup>[[User_talk:Shedletsky|Talk]]</sup></i></b> ]] 04:56, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
Should genre be removed? Apart from, say, fantasy and futuristic, there isn't much there. [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 06:19, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
:I'll be removing the genre field due to non-informativeness. Any objections? [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 03:34, 22 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
I think we should separate two types of availability.  One is licensing/availability of source code.  The other is licensing/availability of binaries.  --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 03:14, 22 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
Hmm, I see what you're getting at. I hadn't even thought of commercial roguelikes. Is there a way to combine the two? For example, a game that is open source (which can be any of the open source licenses) is almost always free. And a commercial game is almost always closed source. License will refer only to the current version's license. Any rare exceptions can be, well, crammed together into something like "[[open source]], [[postcardware]]". Or am I not thinking of something? [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 03:34, 22 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
I can't think of any RL that has different licensing terms for the binary vs. source code. [[User:Shedletsky|<b><i>[[User:Shedletsky|–John Shedletsky]]<sup>[[User_talk:Shedletsky|Talk]]</sup></i></b> ]] 03:37, 22 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
=== What information is critical in describing a roguelike developer? ===
:[...]''maybe add a similar template for Roguelike Developers? --[[User:Kisielewicz|Kisielewicz]] 13:19, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
<nowiki>{{developerinfo}}</nowiki> should be alright? Apart from name and games made, what should be included? It should be alright if there isn't as much information as for a game. [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 15:58, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
My proposal:
 
* Nick
* Real Name
* Nationality
* Homepage
* Games made
* Projects
* Languages
 
--[[User:Kisielewicz|Kisielewicz]] 17:48, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
{{developerinfo|name = Kornel Kisielewicz
|alias = Kisielewicz
|nationality = Polish
|languages =
|site =
}}
The difference between games made and projects is in the development stage, correct? I think we should combine the two, and make no distinction based on development status, at least in the infobox. Does that sound alright? For now, there's what is on the right [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 20:35, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
== Opinions, in or out? ==
 
I'm currently writing up something for [[Guild]], and I'm finding it a bit of a pain to withhold suggestions or opinions. It would be really nice if we could set aside some sections for, say, suggestions or feedback, especially for games that are currently in the first stages of development. I don't think that their talk pages would be an appropriate place, since that seems more for editorial discussion... thoughts? [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 06:24, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
Hmm. Maybe it's something that should be put in reviews? I don't know. It'd be nice to be able to state which points of a game I found exciting or tedious right on there, and then if someone disagrees they can state that right there as well. [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 06:28, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
Maybe projects that want to solicit feedback should add a Feedback heading in the project entry itself, and people can edit that? [[User:Shedletsky|<b><i>[[User:Shedletsky|–John Shedletsky]]<sup>[[User_talk:Shedletsky|Talk]]</sup></i></b> ]] 20:23, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)
 
I think that's a good way to go, but I've never heard of a Roguelike project that was not soliciting feedback. Maybe if as long as we find a record of the author asking for feedback, such as a thread from rgrd, we can add a feedback section, find some actual feedback, and also add our own. [[User:M|<b><i>[[User:M|&ndash;M]]<sup>[[User_talk:M|T]]</sup></i></b>]] 20:44, 21 Sep 2005 (CEST)

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Articles unnecessarily protected.

Several pages are marked as protected and it's unclear why. You can see them here. There no specified reason, I couldn't find any indications of abuse, and some of the discussions concluded that the protection was accidental and that admins weren't able to get around to resolving them at the time.[1] It's obvious why Main Page and Featured roguelike‎ would be protected, but I think protections should be removed from all other pages unless a reason can be given. --HexDecimal (talk) 07:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

It seems most of these came from a rgrd thing where people would agree to share their articles in roguebasin but specified they didn't want edits. I will dig into it and put the real cause if that's the case. --Slash (talk) 16:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
I didn't realize that. It's unfortunate that several of those pages have minor errors which can't be fixed. If that's the case then I think it'd have been better to have external links to the original articles instead of mirroring them on the wiki, or at least segregate them in some way that makes it clear that they aren't normal wiki pages.
I found the RGRD Wiki Project page which mentions that the pages would be protected. These pages were supposed to have the author info in a small template but that seems to be missing from the protected pages I checked. --HexDecimal (talk) 22:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Can't upload new images.

I wanted to upload a new image example for Scrolling map but I receive the following error when I attempt to upload it:

Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/c/c8/Camera_vectors.png". Make sure your upload directory is configured correctly and your web server has permission to write to that directory. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:$wgUploadDirectory for more information.

--HexDecimal (talk) 00:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I get that error too. Sorry, not something I can help with. Could be connected to the upgrade in July. Slash, can you look into this please.-Muscles (talk) 02:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
This is fixed now --Slash (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

That Role Playing

Hi, my name is Eugenia, we'd like to add our released game That Role Playing to RogueBasin database of RL games.

Steam link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1673180/That_Role_Playing/ Released: 21 Oct 2021

[...]

Please feel free to create a game page for it, it looks relevant for roguebasin. Thanks! --Slash (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
I've created the page. Thank you! --Enginya 05:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

False assumption on the front page

“Modern traditional roguelikes often shun this aspect, in favor of accessibility for less hardcore players.” This statement makes a generalizing and false assumption. Popular modern roguelikes like DCSS, Qud and ToME certainly don’t use graphics as an accessibility feature, nor are these graphics in any way a hindrance to “The True Experience”, as a genre gatekeeper would suggest. Qud in particular is fantastically enhanced via its graphics. It leaves others in the dust when it comes to art style and UX design. Definitely not a mere accessibility feature meant as scrap for the dogs. Let’s excise this subjective and obviously loaded language from the front page.

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