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== Game Announcements ==
== Articles unnecessarily protected. ==
If you have a new game/version/release to announce to the world, Make an edit to the [[News]] page, and please follow the existing format. If you want to generate discussion and receive feedback and comments, make sure to head over to [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] and use their forums, as well as [[rgrd]]. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)


Several pages are marked as protected and it's unclear why. [http://roguebasin.com/index.php/Special:ProtectedPages?namespace=0&type=edit&level=0&size-mode=min&size= You can see them here].
There no specified reason, I couldn't find any indications of abuse,
and some of the discussions concluded that the protection was accidental and that admins weren't able to get around to resolving them at the time.[http://roguebasin.com/index.php/Talk:CreatingAForest]
It's obvious why [[Main Page]] and [[Featured roguelike‎]] would be protected, but I think protections should be removed from all other pages unless a reason can be given. --[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 07:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


: It seems most of these came from a rgrd thing where people would agree to share their articles in roguebasin but specified they didn't want edits. I will dig into it and put the real cause if that's the case. --[[User:Slash|Slash]] ([[User talk:Slash|talk]]) 16:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


== Spambots ==
:: I didn't realize that.  It's unfortunate that several of those pages have minor errors which can't be fixed.  If that's the case then I think it'd have been better to have external links to the original articles instead of mirroring them on the wiki, or at least segregate them in some way that makes it clear that they aren't normal wiki pages.
:: I found the [[RGRD Wiki Project]] page which mentions that the pages would be protected.  These pages were supposed to have the author info in a small template but that seems to be missing from the protected pages I checked.  --[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 22:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


There was a small spambot attack recently, dunno how they overrid the spam protection (what is the current spam protection)? I had no luck blocking them via the sysop special pages. Is there any way to delete user accounts?
== Can't upload new images. ==


--[[User:Slash|Slash]] 01:08, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)
I wanted to upload a new image example for [[Scrolling map]] but I receive the following error when I attempt to upload it:
: Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/c/c8/Camera_vectors.png". Make sure your upload directory is configured correctly and your web server has permission to write to that directory. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:$wgUploadDirectory for more information.
--[[User:HexDecimal|HexDecimal]] ([[User talk:HexDecimal|talk]]) 00:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


I think it may be useful to update MediaWiki software to the latest version. The one that's currently installed is so old, the mind boggles. The current version has captchas and other stuff, and it's much easier to revert vandalism. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:23, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)
:I get that error too. Sorry, not something I can help with. Could be connected to the upgrade in July. [[User:Slash|Slash]], can you look into this please.-[[User:Muscles|Muscles]] ([[User talk:Muscles|talk]]) 02:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


IIRC Bj????rn set up the latest version when the server translation was performed? Also, this is plain vandalism, not even spam (deleting '+' and everything after a '&', what use would that have?
:: This is fixed now --[[User:Slash|Slash]] ([[User talk:Slash|talk]]) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
--[[User:Slash|Slash]] 17:19, 12 Apr 2007 (CEST)
:It can't be the latest version. For example when you look at the diff between two revisions, there's no link to edit the revision. This feature was in Wikipedia since I joined it, probably, and that was very long time ago. So, to revert vandalism one has to click three times instead of two, pretty annoying. I don't know, maybe it's configured incorrectly, but it definitely looks very outdated. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 10:52, 13 Apr 2007 (CEST)


:It's definitely an old version, the [[Special:Version]] page shows as using version 1.3.9 ''(The 1.3.x line was last updated in November 2005)''. The newest release is 1.10.0 although most modern versions of MediaWiki require PHP5 though ''(since version 1.7)''. The latest version that still supports PHP4 is 1.6.10 available [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Download here]. 1.6.10 was released on 20th February 2007. -- [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 01:18, 28 May 2007 (CEST)
== That Role Playing ==


::THe Wiki is currently running MediaWiki 1.6.10. Hopefully we won't see any more spam attacks. -- Bjorn 09:50 3 Jul 2007
Hi, my name is Eugenia, we'd like to add our released game That Role Playing to RogueBasin database of RL games.


There was another spammer, although it could be a person doing it, rather than a bot. It was [[User:Yaxiaexx099|this account]] doing it, and [http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Dalhxf&oldid=12449 this] was was what he did.
Steam link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1673180/That_Role_Playing/
Released: 21 Oct 2021


Here we go again, looks like the spambots are returning? Three new pages filled with.. something. [[Aldan|Here]], [[Generosity|here]] and [[Nourished|here]], created by three (new?) users in a short succession. Are there any anti-spambot guidelines somewhere, since I'm not sure of what to do, except for reporting? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 23:48, 8 January 2009 (CET)
[...]


:Wonder if there is any way we can give rights to some users to approve new users so we dont have these spambots sign up, or we need to modify the captcha code to stop this crap.
: Please feel free to create a game page for it, it looks relevant for roguebasin. Thanks! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] ([[User talk:Slash|talk]]) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)


== Remove the news? ==
:: I've created the page. Thank you! --[[User:Enginya|Enginya]] 05:19, 9 November 2021  (UTC)


I was wondering if it is a good idea to keep the news box on the main page. My thoughts:
== False assumption on the front page ==


* We have three main news sites: RGRA, Temple of the Roguelike and the RogueBasin. That's a lot of duplicating.
“Modern traditional roguelikes often shun this aspect, in favor of accessibility for less hardcore players.”
* I feel that the RGRA and Temple of the Roguelike are way more suited to displaying news. I see the RogueBasin as a resource of articles, guides and information about roguelikes.
This statement makes a generalizing and false assumption. Popular modern roguelikes like DCSS, Qud and ToME certainly don’t use graphics as an accessibility feature, nor are these graphics in any way a hindrance to “The True Experience”, as a genre gatekeeper would suggest. Qud in particular is fantastically enhanced via its graphics. It leaves others in the dust when it comes to art style and UX design. Definitely not a mere accessibility feature meant as scrap for the dogs. Let’s excise this subjective and obviously loaded language from the front page.
* The news box could be used to display other things. Such as new articles here, articles that we would like to improve and featured roguelikes.
 
What do people think? [[User:Icey|Icey]] 14:45, 27 May 2007 (CEST)
 
: I agree, both RGRA and TotR seem better places for sources of news (But saying that I do have TotR as a Live Bookmark in Firefox) although I have no problem having a smaller box with the last couple of items. I'd sooner see the space taken with new articles, articles for improvement and featured roguelikes as suggested. -- [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 01:18, 28 May 2007 (CEST)
 
:RGRA and Temple are moderated, which means the news don't appear ASAP. For example both of these mediums haven't covered The Sewer Massacre 1.0 yet (and not for my lack of trying ;)). The main principle behind news is that they are new. A day later is already old news. Imagine if JADE is released, and the news don't appear anywhere for a day. Wiki solves this problem perfectly. [[User:Grue|Grue]] 23:09, 28 May 2007 (CEST)
 
:::::::That's one of the cons of a moderated media :) also, RGRA is moderated, but moderation commonly takes less than 1 hour in my Experience --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 16:35, 4 Jun 2007 (CEST)
 
::That is a good point, I hadn't really thought about the moderation aspect. Perhaps having a slightly different main page design would accommodate having sections for articles and featured items? [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 18:36, 29 May 2007 (CEST)
 
:::I've made a quick mockup of an idea, so colours and content (especially the top-right links) are just placeholders, this uses the fairly "traditional" block wiki format. The content is just copy-pasted but you get the idea. The news would be for each month (probably in a smaller font). See it here [[User:Pucechan/MainIdea]]. What do people think?
 
::::I like it a lot. I've expanded the idea a bit: [[User:Icey/MainIdea]]. It's more wikipedia-like, has a little tag line so people know what the RogueBasin is, added the links to the top, added a featured article section, added a bit of colour and changes a few other things. [[User:Icey|Icey]] 02:12, 2 Jun 2007 (CEST)
 
:::::I like the changes you've made, the little splash of colour helps. I prefer your simple set of links rather than my bundle (I didn't really sort them in any way but your way is much nicer). I really like it. [[User:Pucechan|Pucechan]] 11:19, 2 Jun 2007 (CEST)
 
::::::Thanks Pucechan. Let's wait a few days to see if anyone else would like to improve/approve it and then decide what to do from there. [[User:Icey|Icey]] 13:19, 3 Jun 2007 (CEST)
 
:::::::I like it a lot too... I have always thought roguebasin needs a better front page... perhaps changing "Current news" for "News for June 2007"?
:::::::Also, it is pretty wordy, some images may help.. probably :P
:::::::Thanks! --[[User:Slash|Slash]] 16:35, 4 Jun 2007 (CEST)
 
:::::::: Images would be good, but uploading images is disabled :P A little cropped screenshot of a roguelike would be nice to go with the description. Like [http://www.reloaded.org/images/games/reviews/66/review07.png this] or [http://www.gamesetwatch.com/atplay/adom-8.gif this]. [[User:Icey|Icey]] 20:14, 7 Jun 2007 (CEST)
 
::::::::: I have enabled uploads for a trial period. [[User:Bjorn|Bjorn]] 09:50, 3 Jul 2007 (CEST)
 
== External community links ==
 
One thing I think is missing from the main page is a list of external community links. The existing [[Roguelike_Links]] doesn't have [[Temple of the Roguelike]], [[@ Play]] and other current resources like forums for various roguelike games listed (and dare I say it [[Ascii Dreams]] ;) )
 
Are people happy for me to tidy up the Links section, to include the above, a 'Press' section within Links for listing where external media have talked about roguelike games, and a Forums section within Links for listing the various game specific web forums such as [http://angband.oook.cz/forum the Angband forums], Angband variant web forums and others (Live Journal, other variants and so on)? I'd like to see more ways of people getting in touch with fellow roguelike players/developers listed somewhere convenient...
 
: That's an excellent idea. Perhaps we could use [[Links]] as a comprehensive list and then do a cut down version for the main page?
 
: Perhaps the Links page could have a Roguelike Blog section (or a name like that) for your site and others like [http://doryen.blogspot.com/] [http://kaduria.blogspot.com/]
 
: [[User:Icey|Icey]] 18:52, 5 September 2007 (CEST)
 
== All those guides! ==
 
Where did all those good guides at http://www.roguelikedevelopment.org/ go? according to the news, the content has been moved to this wiki but I can't find any of those guides! me want's 'em badly!
[[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 11:28, 16 January 2008 (CET)
:Sorry, I meant of course that alot of guides are missing, as least most of the map algorithm stuff previously found on the old site is missing here at the wiki. Anyone got copies of those guides, please? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 14:28, 23 January 2008 (CET)
::And you looked in the map section of [[Articles]]? All the ones I recall are there. Perhaps you can use the wayback machine to calculate which ones seem to be missing? [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 17:12, 23 January 2008 (CET)
:::lol, the wayback what..? No, realy, I know there's alot missing from the site. Some examples are the guides written by Mike Anderson (Dungeon-Building Algorithm, Fractal Landscapes) and Radomir "The Sheep" Dopieralski (Recursive LvL Generation) [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 17:52, 23 January 2008 (CET)
::::Look at this URL. It is from www.archive.org, the wayback machine for the Internet: http://web.archive.org/web/20060114055601/http://roguelikedevelopment.org/ but before you go adding all of the articles to the wiki, you should know that there was some effort to move them over, but only if the original authors could be found to give permission. So you should check with an admin here about what to do. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 08:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)
:::::Oh crap, I thought I could just go and add what I managed to find, since it had already been released on the site o.0' Pardon me, I'm too quick sometimes, doing stuff without thinking first. <br /> But, IMHO, not moving over all that stuff just because the original author couldn't be found kinda buggers me, that's just wast of time and good knowledge, stupidlly forcing to "reinvent the wheel". And it buggers me even more, since obvisiouly (spelling?) it can still be found on the web thanks to that wayback machine you're talking about (thanks for that link btw, would've never thought of that). <br /> Thanks for telling me dude, I'll try slowing down/backing off and poke an admin about it before doing anything else.<br /> <br />Anyway, should the "previously missing" [[Dungeon-Building Algorithm]] article I dug up yesterday be removed, or just leave it for now and hope for the better? [[User:Solarnus|Solarnus]] 13:50, 24 January 2008 (CET)
 
 
::::::Is there any chance of the articles being reposted on the original site until they can be ported here? They're only text documents, and a number of them were very good references. Most of the original files are not stored on wayback machine, so forn ow they are lost for good. [[User:lapoubelle|lapoubelle]] 30 April 2008
 
I have spent most of today searching for and collecting all of the articles that were on the old system but not on roguebasin. I was able to recover all but two. Those two and links to the archives are at [[User:Duerig]]. That way they should be safe until we can decide how to handle them. If the admins have a problem with this, I'll host them on my own domain if I have to. Let me know if you can find information on either of the two remaining articles. [[User:Duerig|Duerig]] 21:53, 1 May 2008 (CEST)
 
 
== THIS IS NOT A GAME ANNOUNCEMENT PAGE ==
Don't post game announcements here, there are other pages for that. [[User:Stu|Stu]] (I forgot to sign my edit..)
 
:Probably would have been a little nicer and a whole lot more helpful to give a link to the appropriate location and to not all-caps/scream the header, especially since the [[Help:Contents|Help]] section is ''completely'' blank (the most important part of any wiki that wants new contributors and knowledgeable editors), and the main Community Portal page just redirects straight here, making it totally useless as well to direct such notices to their appropriate location.  Personally, I can't find a page that really matches what [[User:Caeonosphere|Caeonosphere]] appears to have been looking for.  '''[[News]]''' seems to be the closest thing, but not really much of an announcement page for game developers so that they can get feedback.  The site is a bit of a mess organizationally. Unfortunately, because of this, errant notices such as the one that you deleted are to be expected.  [[User:Kiefer|Kiefer]] 13:44, 15 May 2008 (CEST)
 
:: You seem to confuse the idea of a wiki vs a forum. This is not a place to post and get feedback and comments and criticisms. Thats what [[rec.games.roguelike.development]] or [http://roguetemple.com RogueTemple] is for. Game releases go on the [[News]] page, preferably linking to your game info page, but that is not required. RogueTemple also does game announcements, and takes comments in return on its front page and forums.  [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:54, 15 May 2008 (CEST)
 
:::I think it's pretty clear that I'm not confusing anything.  I didn't say that the announcement was correctly placed.  In fact, I described it as an "errant notice."  However, a Community Portal often ''does'' include a spot for the wiki's community to get together and discuss things that relate to the subject of the wiki.  Sometimes that involves requests for feedback like the one you deleted.  I'm guessing that Caeonosphere put the request in the most likely place he thought it should go, since (once again) there was no main Community Portal page to direct him.
 
:::I think instead that it's pretty clear that my point was: '''You didn't treat the user with the respect that they deserved.'''  You should have guided them in the right direction, instead of assuming that they should already know what to do.  (But, once again, '''''how''''' should they know?)  Instead of helping, you deleted their message, added a header that shouts at the user should they return, and then said that "there are other pages for that" without leaving even a clue as to what that might mean.  And, apparently from what you just wrote in your reply, there '''aren't''' other pages for that here - the developer would have to go someplace else entirely.  (A user can't even ask an admin for guidance or help, as there isn't a list of sysops posted on the Main Page from which to get help!)
 
:::It's a matter of treating the users with respect, and helping them out instead of essentially saying "bugger off."  [[User:Kiefer|Kiefer]] 07:35, 16 May 2008 (CEST)
 
:::: I agree, I was an arse, and after looking around it really isn't very clear where to go or what to do. I tried to edit the help page but dont have rights to do so. I think the front page needs a revamp to make things clearer. It is too cluttered. I added a little blurb to the top of the community page that might help. I also added the two games I deleted to the News page. [[User:Stu|Stu]] 14:21, 16 May 2008 (CEST)
 
:::::You da man!  My flying monkeys of death have been recalled and sun is shining again across the land.  So, who do we have to bribe to get the help pages started and a non-redirecting Community Portal page created?  I've worked on similar elsewhere, but everything is protected, and I don't really know what the "vision" of the site is.  Ah well.  [[User:Kiefer|Kiefer]] 17:54, 16 May 2008 (CEST)
 
::::::I get an SQL error if I try to unprotect those pages.  Thus, I've gone with the simpler answer of redirecting both to user-editable pages.  I really don't know what a community portal should consist of, so left that page blank with a link back to this talk.  The Help page I spliced together from existing stuff.  Please let me know if there are other needs.  --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 18:02, 28 July 2008 (CEST)
 
== Game or project? ==
 
Template [[Template:Angband-variant]] asks for status field. Then game entry is added to "status games" category. This works well for stable games and defunct games but fails for alpha, beta and talkie talkie *projects*. Thus any Angband variants which classify themselves as having alpha or beta status do not get included in proper category. Any ideas how to correct that without destroying too much existing work? I would opt for removing status field and adding all variants to categories manually. Other choice is to spilt template into several like it was done with [[Template:Gameinfo]]. What are others opinions on this? <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 16:18, 19 August 2008 (CEST)
 
: I think the best bet is to split the template like the Gameinfo did.  I presume there was a good reason to do that split rather than use the status field cleverly.  I don't like people having to manually add the category tag as that will result in people forgetting to categorize the variant at all.  --[[User:JeffLait|JeffLait]] 05:21, 21 August 2008 (CEST)
 
:: Foundations are lain. I am going to wait some more time before proceeding to change all Angband variant pages in case better ideas show up or someone has objections. <b><i>[[User:Ancient|–Michal Bielinski]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ancient|Talk]]</sup></i></b> 15:03, 25 August 2008 (CEST)
 
== 1krl ==
 
We should add this to the wiki, but I'm not sure where.
http://1024brl.googlepages.com/
(and a link to the rgrd posts of course.
--[[User:Soyweiser|Soyweiser]] 02:00, 22 August 2008 (CEST)

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Archives

Articles unnecessarily protected.

Several pages are marked as protected and it's unclear why. You can see them here. There no specified reason, I couldn't find any indications of abuse, and some of the discussions concluded that the protection was accidental and that admins weren't able to get around to resolving them at the time.[1] It's obvious why Main Page and Featured roguelike‎ would be protected, but I think protections should be removed from all other pages unless a reason can be given. --HexDecimal (talk) 07:26, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

It seems most of these came from a rgrd thing where people would agree to share their articles in roguebasin but specified they didn't want edits. I will dig into it and put the real cause if that's the case. --Slash (talk) 16:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
I didn't realize that. It's unfortunate that several of those pages have minor errors which can't be fixed. If that's the case then I think it'd have been better to have external links to the original articles instead of mirroring them on the wiki, or at least segregate them in some way that makes it clear that they aren't normal wiki pages.
I found the RGRD Wiki Project page which mentions that the pages would be protected. These pages were supposed to have the author info in a small template but that seems to be missing from the protected pages I checked. --HexDecimal (talk) 22:31, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Can't upload new images.

I wanted to upload a new image example for Scrolling map but I receive the following error when I attempt to upload it:

Could not open lock file for "mwstore://local-backend/local-public/c/c8/Camera_vectors.png". Make sure your upload directory is configured correctly and your web server has permission to write to that directory. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:$wgUploadDirectory for more information.

--HexDecimal (talk) 00:41, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

I get that error too. Sorry, not something I can help with. Could be connected to the upgrade in July. Slash, can you look into this please.-Muscles (talk) 02:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
This is fixed now --Slash (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

That Role Playing

Hi, my name is Eugenia, we'd like to add our released game That Role Playing to RogueBasin database of RL games.

Steam link: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1673180/That_Role_Playing/ Released: 21 Oct 2021

[...]

Please feel free to create a game page for it, it looks relevant for roguebasin. Thanks! --Slash (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
I've created the page. Thank you! --Enginya 05:19, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

False assumption on the front page

“Modern traditional roguelikes often shun this aspect, in favor of accessibility for less hardcore players.” This statement makes a generalizing and false assumption. Popular modern roguelikes like DCSS, Qud and ToME certainly don’t use graphics as an accessibility feature, nor are these graphics in any way a hindrance to “The True Experience”, as a genre gatekeeper would suggest. Qud in particular is fantastically enhanced via its graphics. It leaves others in the dust when it comes to art style and UX design. Definitely not a mere accessibility feature meant as scrap for the dogs. Let’s excise this subjective and obviously loaded language from the front page.

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